Re: [jboske] Transfinites

[Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>]

At 10:13 AM 1/13/03 -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, John Cowan wrote:
>
> > Robert LeChevalier scripsit:
> >
> > > This again is incompatible with tu'o meaning mo'ezi'o, which requires 
> that
> > > there be NO number.
> >
> > Not what zi'o means, but a common error that I strive to eradicate.
> >
> > A zi'o sumti does not mean that no value *can* be expressed, but that
> > the relationship is being constrained ("projected" in relational algebra)
> > to suppress it. Thus "klama fo zi'o" does not necessarily involve 
> teleportation
> > (where there is no route), but it doesn't exclude it either. So both
> > teleportation and non-teleportation events are included in klama fo zi'o,
> > but only non-teleportation is involved in klama without fo zi'o.
>
> I once described the difference as
>
> dargu noda noda
> a circular road
>
> dargu zi'o zi'o
> a parking lot

But Cowan's explanation of klama fo zi'o requires that dargu zi'o zi'o ALSO 
encompass a circular road, as well as a normal road because it doesn't 
exclude events with a value.

So lojbab still see two contradictory definitions.

lojbab

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