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The compromise of uncomprehension
As is very clear, I just don't get what And, Jorge and xod clearly get.
So I'll let them be able to say what they want (without getting it),
and move on.
My solutions, having been conceived of in 3-D space, have assumed that
all entities have at least 2 (and presumably transfinite bits); that
atoms had a cardinality as the inner and a count as the outer; and that
collectives had a cardinality of bits on the inner and a size on the
There are abstractions that do not have parts in any sensible way. Like
These things are atoms, trivially (they don't contain, so nothing they
contain is P(x).) These things are stuff, trivially: all none of what
they contain is P(x). (Here's the perniciousness of the
non-importing-ro, but whatever.)
So it's silly to fractionally quantify them: they have no bits to
quantify over. And if there is any number of them, there is only one of
them: their quantification is trivial.
I contend that for anything 3-D, there are always 3-D bits: it is the
nature of 3-D space. But my colleagues want to consider the possibility
of not considering the entity as having bits, but of thinking of it in
the same way as fondness.
I think this is malrarbau codswallop, but Lojban has to be
metaphysically parsimonious, and we've got to be able to speak of
fondness anyway, so fine, they can have it.
I have my way, and speak of piro loi ci'ipa djacu
They have their way, and speak of tu'o loi tu'o djacu (there are no
bits --- here tu'o means 'no number', not just 'no prenex'), or pa lo
pa djacu (which is tantamount to tu'o [un-prenexed] lo pa djacu, but
restricted to this world --- so, pa lo pa djacu-in-this-world, or pa lo
pa ca'a djacu.)
Does this work?
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chaq DuQuchmoHlaHbej yuch. University of Melbourne,
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