Subject: Re: PLEA: Chinese names

From: "Alfred W. Tueting (Tüting)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:01:42 -0000

--- In [email-masked], Ivan A Derzhanski <iad@M...> wrote:
> Alfred W. Tueting (Tüting) wrote:
> > --- In [email-masked], Ivan A Derzhanski <iad@M...> wrote:
> > > Using /r/ doesn't seem to be a good idea, because syllabic
> > > (retroflex) /r/ does exist in Mandarin -- _shi_ and _shir_
> > > are different syllables (and _shi_ is different from _she_,
> > > although _shir_ and _sher_ sound the same).
> [...]
> > _shir_ doesn't seem to exist (it's py: shi /cr/); sher is py:
> > she-er /cy,r/ (/cy/+/yr/)
> 
> 

> (3) The addition of the suffix _er_ to _she_ and _shi_ yields
> respectively _sher_ and _shir_, which though distinguished in
> writing are pronounced the same, and though written as two
> characters are pronounced as a single syllable, whose coda
> (alias final) sounds as [@r.].
> 
> So that's three different (sequences of) sounds to handle.
> 
> What of all this do you say isn't true?
> 
> I suppose it would be possible to lojbanise _shi_ as {cr}
> if _she_ is {cy} and _shir_=_sher_ is {cyr}.

Agreed with almost all, yet I don't think that a word py: 'shi' /cr/
is *suffixed* with py: 'er' /yr/ yielding something like 'shir'. In
those 
cases the suffix is py: 'zi'. E.g. py: 'shizi' lion BIG5 ·à¤l
/cr,dz/ (sher - 'little tongue' BIG5 ¦Þ¨à is okay though).
Whereas shi and er (unsuffixed) works, like in 'shi er' /cr yr/ e.g.
'is a child' etc. BIG5 ¬O¨à

.aulun.