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[lojban-beginners] Re: Some translations
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:29:44PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
> On 19 Feb 2003 at 9:08, ?lvaro Vallejo wrote:
>
> > mi nitcu cu fanva ti glivla la lojban
> > (I need to translate into Lojban the following words, is the utterance in
> > Lojban right?)
>
> Slow down, cowboy!
Indeed.
> I wonder why you "need" so many words right now -- wouldn't basic
> grammar be better first? No offense.
>
> FWIW, I'd probably say something more like {mi nitcu lenu fanva le vi
> glivla la lojban}.
Assuming one wanted to use glivla, which I'm not at all sure you want.
> I also tried something like {mi nitcu lenu fanva ti noi glivla la
> lojban}, but that treats {la lojban} as x2 of {glivla}. And if I add
> {ge'u}, which I think ought to end the relative phrase {ti noi glivla},
> jbofi'e doesn't like the sentence any more.
>
> Hang on... *looks through ma'oste again* ku'o? Ah, that seems to work.
>
> {mi nitcu lenu fanva ti noi glivla ku'o la lojban}, then.
Remember, boys and girls, vau is your *friend*. vau can be used for
both kei and ku'o in most cases.
> (What's the difference between a "relative phrase" (terminated by
> {ge'u}) and a "relative clause" (terminated by {ku'o}), then?)
po is a relative phrase. poi is a relative clause. There is
essentially no similarity grammatically, because po takes a single sumti
while poi takes a bridi.
ge'u is almost never necessary.
> I think most of the words below will surely be fu'ivla; certainly, I
> believe most of the animals will be.
Absolutely.
> > igloo
>
> {iglu} has been proposed.
<spits on ground>
Making up a type-4 fu'ivla for a dwelling used by *much* less than 1% of
the human population is insane.
> Maybe {dinjrxiglu} if you want a fu'ivla?
Or zdanrxiglu.
> > sledge hammer
>
> something with {mruli}, presumably.
barda mruli
> > trombone
> > trumpet
>
> These are both kinds of {tabra}.
clani tabra and tabra, resp., IMO.
fu'ivla are probably better, though.
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