So MA's point seems to be that the Lojban project is impossible by the nature of language, since, evenif we do eventually create a language that meets the ideal, as soon as people learn it, it will fall away into ordinariness again. The only possible ways out seem to be to believe that changes in the language will always be merely to vocabulary, never to grammar, or that every change in the grammar can be met with a compensating that restores the old system or creates a new one just as good. Both of those hopes seem as unlikely as no change at all.
So, the goal of Lojban is create once the ideal language, then pickle it forever as a display.
On Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 2:23:35 PM CST, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
It's that 3rd point, the reintegration into the core, which I see as untenable.
And what constitutes the core, anyway?
Learning things about the language that only fluent speakers can know means the language will be improvable in ways the original designers couldn't have anticipated (or they would have). Therefore change is inevitable. What's not likely, though, is that the change will keep the language unified, even backward-compatible. Something along the way (an imperfection in the original design) will become broken when the change occurs, and this is unavoidable.
For those who want to learn a language that will never change, pick something like Sanskrit or Middle Egyptian. Languages MUST change to stay alive.
stevo
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:51 AM, <sukender1@gmail.com> wrote:
@stevo: Sorry I don't understand the "make it the same as it was before". From my point of view:I hope I mad myself clearer :-)
- Establishing language rules "forever" is not possible. Therefore some changes will be necessary. This is what called "evolution".
- Forking may be interesting. It may be an pure experiment, a "feature branch", a fix, etc.
- Reintegrating a branch to the core actually changes the core! This is why it must be done very carefully, in order to not break initial intents of the language.
Le mardi 7 novembre 2017 09:59:20 UTC+1, stevo a écrit :sykynder: You mention re-integrating forks back into the core language. How do you change something and then make it the same as it was before? And why would you want to?stevo--
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