I think it does change semantics of kelci and can therefore cause confusion
Em domingo, 28 de junho de 2020 18:47:11 UTC+3, karis escreveu:
I don't see a problem with adding this extra place as what people already know is still valid and this last place would just be elided. This is an enhancement only and can be easily explained on the fly. If it comes up only one or two times I believe most speakers will remember it. I'm not saying there isn't now a way to say, for instance, that you are playing chess. This is a more straightforward way to do it, though.Adding to the end of a gismu is much less of a change than changing it in the middle. When we were originally working on place structures for the gismu long ago we knew there would be some that needed to be expanded (and shortened).. karis. /Karen SteinOn Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 13:17 <lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:
- Gismu in need of place structure extensions - 2 Updates
Jmive <mcdonohe@mail.gvsu.edu>: Jun 23 12:42PM -0700
What gismu feel like they have incomplete place structures?
The lujvo {ci'erkei} and {kelci'e} feel like they only exist because
{kelci} is missing a spot about what game is being played and/or its rules.
The primary sense of the word seems to be about unstructured play, in the
sense that a child plays with toys. But even this sense could be improved
by a place for the game that's being played, as unstructured play can form
unstructured games, usually of an imaginative sort, such as "cops and
robbers" or "house".
Proposed alternative definition:
> x1 plays with toy/plaything/gamepiece x2 in game x3
With this, {kelci} becomes like a recreational (rather than productive)
version of {pilno}.
Alterations to existing lujvo semantics: {nunkei} becomes "play session" or
a game in the sense meaning "match" -- the thing you're referring to when
you say "good game". {samselkei} might mean a gaming console (such that
s1=k2); {dracyselkei} might mean a miniature, die, or LARP prop. I would
argue that these are closer to the literal meanings of those lujvo to begin
with, since {selkei} is defined as "toy", not "game".
Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>: Jun 24 02:32AM -0700
Or if you don't like existing lujvo you can just create new words instead of trying to redo existing words that others have already learned the way they are. This way it'd be less egocentric.
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