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[lojban] Re: Reasoning by analogy
Jacob Thomas Errington <jake@mail.jerrington.me> writes:
> I just use camxes. Perhaps the CLL doesn't allow fi'o clauses as
> sentence connectives due to a limitation in the parser (it would
> require too much lookahead, maybe?) Camxes essentially allows
> unlimited lookahead.
AFAIK, the latest official grammar is grammar.300. All those PEG
grammars are unofficial, as I understand. The PEG grammars may
introduce new features (such as full "tag"s where "simple-tag"s used to
be), but that introduces the question of WHICH grammar is being used.
Whenever you ask whether something is grammatical, you must specify:
grammatical with respect to which (official or experimental) grammar?
That said, it would be VERY nice if "tag"s replaced all the
"simple-tag"s in the grammar. It would also be nice if cmavo of NAhE
could be joined by joiks/jeks. Lojban has several asymetries like this
which could be resolved by adopting a new official grammar.
> The usual strategy to interpret a {fi'o} clause is to rearrange to
> make its selbri the top-level selbri. For example, I would interpret
> {mi fi'o simsa do se bangu lo lojbo} as
>
> mi do simsa lo ka lo lojbo cu bangu
> + a claim that {mi se bangu lo lojbo}
I still think you're mis-stating this. I think what you mean to
describe is {mi fi'o simsa BO do se bangu lo lojbo}. However, modal
connections between sumti are not allowed in grammar.300. They might be
allowed in a camxes-like grammar. (I haven't checked.)
Still, even if grammatical, this wouldn't imply any different (or
updated) interpretation of modal tags than appears in CLL. I would
still interpret {jai fi'o gasnu fe'u broda} as {jai gau broda}. The
strange constructs appear when you use {fi'o} clauses as tenses, i.e.:
.i ti fi'o bredi fe'u cutci
As I understand it, this would mean:
.i ti cutci
.i bredi lonu go'i
This would be the interpretation of modal tags as explained in the CLL.
What I think you're saying is that {fi'o} tags are just allowed in more
places (in PEG grammars) than they used to be (in YACC), not that there
are necessarily any new interpretations of what a modal tag means.
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