From robin@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx Wed Aug 25 05:46:25 1999 X-Digest-Num: 221 Message-ID: <44114.221.1196.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:46:25 +0300 From: Robin Turner > la robin cusku diŽe > > >coi rodoi > > i diŽu na gendra i peŽi do skudji lu coi rodo liŽu {zo'o} it's a new sentence type, the double vocative. > >lenu la kolumbus. facki le cnino gugde se detri li pavosore > > [cu missing] > Actually the original example in the lesson has a {kei} after {gugde}, which I assume does the same trick. It was lenu la kolumbus. facki lo cnino gugde kei se detri ma > > >would mean that he discovered America on the 1492nd day, rather > >than in the year 1492. Would something like {la pavosorenanc.} > >clear this up? > > I think that would be understood. Maybe {facki} will > end up with that meaning too, since it is almost > always used for finding some object, place or person > rather than for finding out that some fact is true > about something. {.ia} but I may just be indulging in sumti-raising again! > > >{ta'o} I left {le cnino gugde} deliberately vague to avoid > >confusion/argument about what he really did discover! > > {le cnino munje} would work too. > That was my first choice, but I thought it might be a bit malglico. Coloumbus doscovered what was (to him at least) a new country, but "The New World" for the Americas seems a bit culture-specific. > > >Another question - I've always used the question word {ma} with > >{detri} and {tcika}, since although the normal x1 is a number > >(implying {xo} as the question), the place seems also capable of > >taking cmene, > > But {ma} asks for any sumti, and can be used to ask for > sumti with {li} as well. You donŽt need that justification > for using {ma}. To use {xo} youŽd have to say {li xo} > instead of plain {ma}. > This confirms what I had thought. I had considered introducing {xo} in this lesson but dropped the idea, as {xo} doesn't seem to be that useful outside complicated mekso stuff. > > >as in > > > >la pacac. cu tcika ti > > > >or > > > >la padjed. cu detri ti > > {la padjed} was Monday, Sunday, or the first of the month? The convention is Sunday, which I personally find awkward, as I always think of Monday as the first day of the week. co'o mi'e robin.