From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Aug 26 06:59:15 1999
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:59:15 PDT
From: "Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Anselmisms and gadro

la mark cusku di'e

>lo zilcrida cu blanu / a fairy is blue
>
>(I'd actually be more likely to say loi zilcrida)
>
>if there actually are no real-life fairies, I'd think my statement would be 
>considered true. Statements about members of the nullset are true, right?

No, if there were no fairies, then "at least one fairy is
blue" = {lo zilcrida cu blanu}, would have to be false. "All
fairies are blue" would be true, but thatīs different.
{lo} has default quantifier {su'o}, "at least one", just
like {da}.

> >>Similarly, "the x such that
> >>Fyx" is {da poi de se broda da[/ke'a]} in {da poi} syntax,
> >
> >That's "some x such that ..." not "the x such that...", which
> >is what pc wanted.
>
>This is the age-old chestnut of Lojban's habit of conflating
>non-veridicality with specificity. There's not much I can do about that.

Yes, but I doubt pc had any difficulty with {da poi da broda
de}. As I understood it, the whole point of the question
was about the "the".

co'o mi'e xorxes