From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Aug 26 10:14:32 1999 X-Digest-Num: 222 Message-ID: <44114.222.1225.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:14:32 -0400 From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" Subject: Re: Anselmisms and gadro At 06:59 AM 8/26/99 -0700, Jorge Llambias wrote: >> >>Similarly, "the x such that >> >>Fyx" is {da poi de se broda da[/ke'a]} in {da poi} syntax, >> > >> >That's "some x such that ..." not "the x such that...", which >> >is what pc wanted. >> >>This is the age-old chestnut of Lojban's habit of conflating >>non-veridicality with specificity. There's not much I can do about that. > >Yes, but I doubt pc had any difficulty with {da poi da broda >de}. As I understood it, the whole point of the question >was about the "the". Actually, it may be that pc was just a bit rusty and looking for a refresher, rather than necessarily indicating that we had a problem to solve. He may have helped designed a lot of this stuff, but he also has argued all sides of a question enough that at times he has forgotten what the final decision was on some prior design issue. If so, then 1) I would buy the use of ko'a 2) da voi ... gives the intensional sense of "the" 3) le me da poi ... would give the explicit "the", but I'm not sure the point In other words, what is the difference between "some x" and "the x" in this context. The only one I can come up with would be dealt with by 4) roda poi ... Maybe we need pc to clarify what in particular the issue is for him lojbab ---- lojbab ***NOTE NEW ADDRESS*** lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: see Lojban WWW Server: href=" http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/ " Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.