From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jul 26 16:23:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 23:23:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 95085 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 23:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 23:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 23:23:28 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17YEQi-0004yJ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:23:28 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17YEQ1-0004xz-00; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:22:45 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17YEPx-0004xq-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:22:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:22:41 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New Members, Board of Directors, other LogFest results Message-ID: <20020726232241.GH12495@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010730221611.00b10c00@pop.cais.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <20020723103956.E28971@miranda.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723195058.030913c0@pop.east.cox.net> <20020723221537.B26815@miranda.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724155616.032ea010@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020725050104.00aac9d0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020725161931.033c2a70@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725161931.033c2a70@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 317 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 04:33:28PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > At 11:29 AM 7/25/02 -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 05:21:17AM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > > > > > It's been said at many LogFests. But the bottom line is that the > > > grunge work has to be done by someone. > > > >Would you even accept a volunteer to take that over at this point? > >Would it even be *possible* for someone else to do it? > > Nora has been skeptical that SHE could do it, and she lives here. Heh. > I think that someone local could transition to doing it, having access > to me to answer the inevitable questions. Out of area, I have been > skeptical because too much of my record keeping BACKUP is on paper, > and the backup is what is needed when the inevitable questions arise. > There is a hump that would have to be overcome in > automating/modernizing my "system", and after that, it would not > necessarily need to be local anymore. > Non-local, I think it would take someone with even your intensity > quite a while to overcome the hump unless it was done by massively > throwing things out (as in everything from before CLL) and not > worrying about them (which I considered and rejected, after Cowan > suggested it). Heh. I personally think anything more than 5 years old is irrelevant. When was the CLL produced? > My current best guess as to what should be done to transition is to > pick a system, transition what we can, and solve the remaining > problems piece by piece. I think it's worth a shot, personally, although the details certainly haven't gelled in my mind. > > > >If, for example, you photocopied all the various address sheets > > > >and handed out copies, nothing would be lost if people didn't > > > >work on them, except a few minutes to photocopy. > > > > > > And the money for the photocopying. I am REALLY chinzy with LLG > > > money. > > > >I'll give you the freaking photocopy money. Yeesh. > > Thank you for your generosity. Seriously, we have NOT had open > pocketbooks in the last several years, and I've been not-spending in > part to staunch the flow. > The unpaid ISP bill is my biggest worry, and I'm not the only one to > hope that CAIS going bankrupt means that they will decide that it > isn't worth collecting since we will require them to properly > establish the billing amount, and I don't think they can. I say wait until they come calling. > > > >Given that the minutes were *just* posted, and you have not, as > > > >far as I know, sent out any reminders, I can't see why you're > > > >surprised. > > > > > > The point of the committee chairpersons is that they were supposed > > > to do the coordination and contacting so it wasn't dependent on me > > > and Nora. If a committee chairman needs to be reminded, no work > > > has been saved. > > > >I disagree. An e-mail once to all committee members a month takes <1 > >minute of your time. This might lead to many more than 1 minutes of > >work getting done. > > I see your point, but it is a different philosophy than was the basis > for the past committees. Certainly we can do that if committees are > NOT established with a "lojbab keep away" attitude. Yeah, well. That attitude bothered me last year, and it bothers me now, and I will have some stuff to say about it at the meeting. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/