From phma@webjockey.net Tue Aug 06 16:04:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Aug 2002 23:04:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 5545 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 23:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2002 23:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 23:04:30 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id DAE5B3C477; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: non-core translations Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:04:26 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806174544.0324bd40@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806174544.0324bd40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208061904260D.02750@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Tuesday 06 August 2002 17:59, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > At 08:21 PM 8/6/02 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > >la adam cusku di'e > > > > >In fact, how you describe the situation, all that is > > >really baselined is the list of actual gismu with their general > > >meaning as set by the keyword. Everything else could theoretically be > > >open to debate and change if a consensus is reached. I was under the > > >impression that the whole list was baselined and would be considered > > >the defining document for the dictionary. > > > >Good. That means that {xruti} can still be fixed, since it was > >agreed at one point to remove the agent place but it was never > >done. I think in Spanish I translated it as non-agentive. > > Removing places would be a violation of the standards of the baseline as > conveyed to me when we started, and hence would require a higher degree of > consensus than I think is possible. If it was in fact agreed, and no > example in the CLL enshrines the current place structure, you would have a > stronger case than normal, but under the guidelines I've received, I am not > considering any such changes and will not do so on my own. We don't have a > Lojban academy, so you basically have to convince the whole community and > document the change. Is it possible to *add* places? {remna} denotes a member of a species, and so ought to have an x2 for the species, as does {cinfo}; and likewise {panje} if used for the animal. phma