From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Aug 06 20:26:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 03:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 93743 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 03:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 03:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 03:26:53 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020807032650.IKYK3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:26:50 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806232403.033ca770@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:26:41 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] panje In-Reply-To: <8b.1c158ef1.2a81afa2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 07:02 PM 8/6/02 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:33:10 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@webjockey.net writes:


a three-dimensional object that is full of holes throughout. The meanings
overlap (my bath sponge is both), but I don't see how the word is extended to
corals, which belong to the Cnidaria and don't have holes throughout. Can
someone explain? What should we call sponges, in the Porifera sense? What
should we call corals?

Maybe it means "mostly untravelling spineless critters in oceans," but that doesn't cover the general "porous material" sense (does holystone count?) .  I think the creators went off in two directions from the Porifera and failed to reconcile them.  The emphasis is clearly on the porous, though,.  I suppose that Porifera are {panje danlu}, "spongy critters" or whatever fu'ivlos out of {danlu porifera}.  Individual corals and certain coral structures are not very beholed, but at least some types of coral reefs are -- as well as some other coral structures (brains, e.g.).  Maybe that is a further ground for the slide. 

Yes the intent was coral structures.  We specifically eschewed attempting to line the gismu up with standard biological classification schemas, which should be fu'ivla if you want to be technical, or lujvo if you want to be expressive.

lojbab

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