From a-rosta@alphaphe.com Wed Aug 14 12:00:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a-rosta@alphaphe.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 19:00:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 61683 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 19:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 19:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.alphaphe.net) (217.33.150.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 19:00:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 26708 invoked by uid 101); 14 Aug 2002 19:00:42 -0000 Received: from host62-7-156-197.webport.bt.net (HELO oemcomputer) (62.7.156.197) by smtp.alphaphe.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 19:00:42 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] space tenses Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:02:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <55.2bc11eb5.2a8b6fa7@aol.com> X-EDATA: smtp.alphaphe.net 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AlphaPhe.Net (www.alphaphe.net) From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110020381 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin pc, re my suggestion of "dei": > Not bad. It is strictly the sentence uttered at here-and-now, not > here-and-now itself (as 20:16 CDT is the time of h-n-n, not what it > is the time of). But it is the most visible/audible thing to hook > deixis on -- for deixis does need a stable hook. Just as a tense > system does. And without either a name for h-n-n or the natural rule > of Lojban tenses, the predicates system for tenses (et al) won't work > (somebody's paper on somebody else's paper in the early 1960's -- > probably Barbara Partee and maybe James McCawley in that order). I take the view that the here-and-now is defined on the basis of "dei", so "here" = "place of dei" and "now" = "time of dei". --And.