From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Aug 31 14:56:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 21:56:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 99479 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 21:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 21:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.225) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 21:56:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:56:48 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.37 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:56:48 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] dictionary - which words? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:56:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2002 21:56:48.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E40A3C0:01C25139] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.37] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 >From: Jay F Kominek > > Of course "sadness" should appear in the English-Lojban part, > > but surely noone is planning to include "ka badri" as a separate > > entry in the Lojban-English part, I hope. Similarly, "se mau" > > should not be a separate entry. > >I was thinking ".uinai" myself. Sure, you can look up ".ui" and negate >it. But maybe the person wants to look up ".uinai". Is there something >inherently wrong with their wanting to do that? The meaning of "uinai" should be found in the entry for "ui". Many attitudinals are incomprehensible unless the full scale is given in the definition. (And the cmavo list already does that anyway.) Why should the compound "ui nai" have an entry but the compound "ka badri" not have an entry? >Why would it be a bad thing to explain combinations of words, when they're >clearly marked as being multiple words? I would say it would be messy rather than bad. It is disorganized, how would you know which combinations are listed separately and which are not? >Just because you shouldn't need >to look them up once you know all the cmavo doesn't quite seem like >sufficient justification for removing entries. People may, after all, >want to use a dictionary before they've mastered Lojban. I'm not suggesting removing any information from the dictionary. I'm discussing where is the information to be found. >Thinking "semau" is a single word is wrong, not knowing the meaning of >"se mau" isn't wrong. Merely simple ignorance, easily corrected by a >dictionary entry. Even if it is one that points the reader to "mau" or >"zmadu". Why would the reader go looking for a two-word entry in the first place? They should find all the information they need under "mau". mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com