From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Sep 13 12:44:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 19:44:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 89449 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 19:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 19:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.218) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 19:44:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:44:31 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:44:30 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:44:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2002 19:44:31.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAB3F8E0:01C25B5D] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e >{x simsa la djan y} behaves like the >predicate "x is like John in property y." What is special about (lo'e}? {lo'e broda} is special in that it does not instantiate {da}. {broda lo'e brode} does not logically entail {broda da}, the way {broda la djan} does. In this respect it is like {broda zi'o} which also does not entail {broda da}. "I like sofas, but there's just no sofa that I like", while contradictory at some psychological level, is not logically contradictory. >?! Your {lo'e} is more general that Lojban's?! If {nelci lo'e cakla} were restricted to liking some particular kind of chocolate, (ordinary, was it?) then yes, my {lo'e} is more general, as it's only about chocolate, not about typical chocolate, ordinary chocolate or any other restriction on the concept of chocolate. >Does {mi >nelci lo'e sfofa} means something like (we can prise out the details later) >"I would like anything that had the properties delimited in {lo'e sfofa}"? If your "anything" there is not a {da}, ok. But we don't have anything in Lojban to stand for that English "anything" (other than {lo'e}). mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com