From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Sep 20 22:22:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 05:22:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 75859 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 05:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 05:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 05:22:02 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17sckI-0004hG-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:58 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17scjf-0004gt-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:19 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17scjc-0004gj-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:16 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8L5RYGZ051296 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:27:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8L5RY3B051295 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:27:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:27:34 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] corrigible vlaste? RE: Re: I like chocolate Message-ID: <20020921052734.GA51091@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1425 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 09:19:31PM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/20/2002 2:23:20 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > a.rosta@lycos.co.uk writes: > << > > It's really the baseline that is ill-conceived. It is inevitable that > > at the stage of development the language was at when it was baselined > > it would be full of things awkward & ill-conceived.=20 > >> > I suppose it was inevitable and the baseliners should have made some=20 > provision for it, but coming from a situation in which nothing was ever=20 > nailed down, but subject to change on (quite literally) a whim, they erre= d in=20 > the othre direction. And, for all that, the results have been pretty=20 > unchallenged over the years -- we don't have a count, alas, but I have le= ss=20 > than a hundred headings in my vocab files, and many of those are not real= ly=20 > serious changes but clarifications and other are [well, you know, like=20 > yours]. FWIW, as a relatively new lojbanist (~5 mo), my interest in lojban would be nonexistant if weren't even as stable as it is now. It is difficult to take a conlang seriously when changes happen constantly, rendering much existing text incorrect. Obviously clarifications, and fixing of mistakes (vo'a) are both neccesary and good, so I support them. But redesign of the language every few days is counter productive (assuming one cares at all about the size of the speaker-base). Baseline =3D=3D good. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9jANGDrrilS51AZ8RAhm6AKDKmDEmtKVpxiOEk3CWiMEswDmV7gCgxAHL rOnUNv8fanK34zwNOilHYRY= =7yti -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk--