From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Sep 23 09:10:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 16:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 34641 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:38:27 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:11:01 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:10:50 +0100 To: nessus , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] notes on conventional implicature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin >>> Lionel Vidal 09/23/02 04:41pm >>> #and: #> Lojban definitely has conventional implicature: #> * some UI #> * "le broda" is equivalent to #> "[unasserted:] da poi ro lu'a ke'a broda .... [asserted:] ro lu'a da" #> However, these are special cases. Other debated cases have been #> resolved against conv-implic. # #I agree, but I would have found more 'natural' for a logical language #to avoid these special cases by having no conv-implic and maybe #some explicit mechanism (special cmavos maybe) to allow it on demand. #Truth value affectations would have been much cleaner. This is exactly my sentiment too. But in a sense the uncontroversial examples, UI and le, are marked -- UI by the selmaho, and as for le, it's the essence of what makes le differe from lo. --And.