From nessus@free.fr Tue Sep 24 07:42:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: nessus@free.fr X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 24 Sep 2002 14:42:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 36913 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 14:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2002 14:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr) (193.252.19.254) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 14:42:24 -0000 Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D89D999002BF3BA for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:42:23 +0200 Received: from ftiq2awxk6 (193.248.237.2) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D8012080074CD63 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:42:23 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c263da$55713ca0$02edf8c1@ftiq2awxk6> To: References: <174.f21596c.2ac1c8e9@aol.com> Subject: [lojban] tu'o usage Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:53:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lionel Vidal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47678341 X-Yahoo-Profile: cmacinf pc: > Me too. But INNER is not stated, merely displayed and, thus, open to a > variety of interpretations, of which "presupposed" is one. "Asserted" is > another, but I can't find any cases of it actually working that way anywhere > and many cases of the presupposing version, even without {ro}. The difference between 'stated' and 'displayed' in a sentence that the origanotor means to be true seems fallacious to me. But anyway, there is a example in CLL p.131, where Cowan says: 'Using exact numbers as inner quantifiers.....you are STATING that exactly that many things exist' and also 'lo ci gerku cu blabi'.... CLAIMS also that there are only three dogs in the universe!' Interpreting these CLL sayings as the presupposed version would be far too streched for my liking. But maybe John could say what he really meant here. mu'omi'e lioNEL