From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Sep 30 15:31:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 22:31:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 81286 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 22:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 22:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 22:31:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:31:25 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:31:25 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] LOI PRENU GO PA MEI GI KA'E NAI TE JINGA? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:31:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2002 22:31:25.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CB40A90:01C268D1] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.52] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e > > {ka'enai} is not grammatical officially, but it has wide usage > > support. John's {ginai ka'e} alternative is good too. > >requires stress as: gi NAI ka'E te JINga >-- so I'm not sure if that'd work. That's not a problem, cmavo stress is free when not right in front of a brivla. But I prefer {gi ka'e nai te jinga}. > > The causal relationship has to be groked from context, I suppose. > >More than in the original? Hard to tell. The Lojban is symmetric, it might just as well stand for "the people, defeated, will never be united" or something similar. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com