From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Oct 10 19:32:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 11 Oct 2002 02:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 8614 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 02:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2002 02:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 02:32:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17zpfk-00044b-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:37:04 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zpeW-00042E-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:35:48 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zpdd-00041M-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:34:54 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9B2ceGZ070593 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:38:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9B2ceXG070592 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:38:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:38:40 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage deciding (was: RE: Re: [Announcement] The Alice Translation Has Moved And Changed Message-ID: <20021011023840.GA70303@allusion.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021010170356.032eb870@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 01:50:56AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Lojbab: > > You and And seem to be the primary innovators who KNOW that you are=20 > > acting against the baseline. >=20 > That's probably true, but I don't think much of my activity is contrary > to the baseline. There is universal agreement that CLL is wrong in places > (or near-universal agreement, I had better say, now that Jordan has > joined the community), so either mere deviance from CLL is not necessaril= y > acting against the baseline, or else there is universal agreement to > act against the baseline. [...] For the record this doesn't reflect my viewpoint. For example, CLL is probably wrong about vo'a, as the ma'oste is also baselined and had a different meaning. Also, either the ma'oste or CLL is wrong about the exact definition of "tamsmi" (they have x2 and x3 flipped). However, these sorts of minor things which need clarification don't justify breaking the things which do work. (for example, xorxes' ji'i thing). mu'o --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9pjmwDrrilS51AZ8RAvpQAKCEN01UHaJb2u9oF7xLhnW34etFqQCfUH6U eAZbaIQg5igvIQDzGVzBDB4= =fVqo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5--