From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Oct 14 08:39:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 14 Oct 2002 15:39:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 2192 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 15:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2002 15:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 15:39:02 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 1817NR-0000LB-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:43:29 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 1817Mt-0000Kr-00; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:42:55 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 1817Mp-0000Ki-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:42:51 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9EFkhGZ009840 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:46:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9EFkflt009834 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:46:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:46:40 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: x1 is of type x2 Message-ID: <20021014154640.GB9308@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 01:56:06PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > !. I was trying to construct a lujvo for "brand": >=20 > "the champagne is rarely of a first-rate brand" >=20 > and felt I needed such a gismu here, though I am considering using > {branda}. I think xod is right, and you could probably just use cmima or girzu for this. btw vlatai says "branda" fails the slinku'i test. > 2. "It isn't the sort of thing one should talk of in private." >=20 > Here one can say=20 >=20 > "na bilga lo'edu'u tavla fa lo'e mibypre fi le'e du va'o lo sivni" >=20 > ... but I would like to be able to capture the "sort of thing" of the > original. So I used {dzadanlu} as a lujvo for "x1 is of sort x2" -- > I was fairly happy to base it on danlu; the dza was for lack of > anything better. You could use "tai" for this sort of thing (;P). tai ti, or such. Since it is specifically the subject though, you could put le tai co'e in x3 of tavla (and then attach your va'o to the tavla...it isn't about the subject, but about the talking). Also I think the original makes a stronger claim than "na bilga" (=3D=3D it is false that should), so perhaps you should consider using a scalar negator. Something like to'e bilga co tavla fi le'e tai co'e va'o loi sivni bilga co to'e tavla fi le'e tai co'e va'o loi sivni .einai tavla fi le'e tai co'e va'o loi sivni .e'i to'e tavla fi le'e tai co'e va'o loi sivni (or other such thing) --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9qubgDrrilS51AZ8RAlNWAJwMEngXklfscG6lC27W7wd6T0FBawCgykzN UH6p4msTbbUFRLGsYFuerQk= =bjNN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN--