From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Oct 15 23:03:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 16 Oct 2002 06:03:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 33764 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2002 06:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2002 06:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2002 06:03:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 181hLq-0000hn-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:08:14 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 181hL7-0000hM-00; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:07:29 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 181hL1-0000hD-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:07:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9G613667921 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:01:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:01:03 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: brivla for 'intend' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021015160444.B65946-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple .oiru'e vu'enairu'edai mu'i ma do du'eroi sisku le ka ce'u satci velfanva be fi le banrglico goi G .i pe'i xamgu fa le du'u da poi valsi fi le lojbo cu na'eka'e satci mapti de poi valsi fi G ku'o soi .i ganai na go'i gi L na vlipa .i pe'a drata ke smuni selci ve'e le sidbo canlu On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, And Rosta wrote: > [2nd attempt to send; sorry if first arrives tomorrow] > > What is the best brivla for "x intends that p, x intends to p", given that > intention does not entail action (or deliberate inaction) and that, ba'e ti'e, > intention is a psychological primitive (i.e. doesn't reduce to a complex of > other notions)? > {selzilterzukte} is a bit of a mouthful, and won't easily crunch down to form > other lujvo, and furthermore, what one's goals are is not quite the same as what > one intends. For example, one can intend something whose natural tendency is to > occur unless actively prevented, so long as one decides not to prevent it. But I > wouldn't describe that as one's goal. > --And. -- Henry McCullers, an affable Plano, TX-area anti-Semite, praised the Jewish people Monday for doing "a bang-up job" running the media. "This has been such a great year for movies, and the new crop of fall TV shows looks to be one of the best in years," McCullers said. "And the cable news channels are doing a terrific job, too. Admittedly, they're not reporting on the Jewish stranglehold on world finance, but, hey, that's understandable."