From xod@thestonecutters.net Wed Nov 06 09:50:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Nov 2002 17:50:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 71457 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 17:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2002 17:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 17:50:53 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 189UKL-0006cn-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:50:53 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189UKI-0006cW-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:50:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189UKD-0006cN-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:50:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6Hodt89336 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:50:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:50:39 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What the heck is this crap? In-Reply-To: <20021106173840.GB22843@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <20021106125016.B88981-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2460 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 02:36:21AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > xod: > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, And Rosta wrote: > > > > I don't see why you're reacting with such horror. People are > > > > always discovering issues like this that nobody has thought of > > > > before. It's inevitable that this happens > > > > > > You don't understand because you've never tried to converse in > > > Lojban Whenever you compose bridi, you have minutes in which to do > > > so; not seconds > > > > But I wouldn't expect you or (hypothetically) me or anyone, when > > *speaking* Lojban, to get the scope right, or even, for that matter, > > to get uncontroversial things like terminators right. > > Heh. > > You know, that's a good point. Makes me feel a bit better. If sumti order affects meaning, even without any lo sumti, then yes, it is another level of meaning to keep track of, which will certainly slow my speech down noticeably. -- "In the Soviet Union, government controls industry. In the United States, industry controls government. That is the principal structural difference between the two great oligarchies of our time." -- Edward Abbey