From jcowan@reutershealth.com Mon Dec 02 21:15:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 3 Dec 2002 05:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 51425 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 05:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2002 05:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 05:15:43 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18J5PL-0005rL-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:15:43 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J5PF-0005qz-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:15:37 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [65.246.141.151] (helo=mail2.reutershealth.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J5PA-0005qi-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:15:33 -0800 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00210; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:27:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212030527.AAA00210@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:12:14 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: nature of debate (was: RE: Re: Why we should cancel the vote or all vote NO (was RE: Official Statement- LLG Board appr To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:12:13 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: from "And Rosta" at Dec 03, 2002 02:47:53 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail2.reutershealth.com id AAA00210 X-archive-position: 2955 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: John Cowan Reply-To: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan And Rosta scripsit: > But more importantly, debates > that drag on and on don't drag on because new arguments and > counterarguments keep on getting raised. They drag on partly because > the nature of email means we forget what has been said, but -- and > this is the key point -- mainly because people restate the same > arguments over and over again. That is the key insight on which IBIS, the discourse model on which the Elephant is based, is based. -- Híggledy-pìggledy / XML programmers John Cowan Try to escape those / I-eighteen-N woes; http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Incontrovertibly / What we need more of is http://www.reutershealth.com Unicode weenies and / François Yergeaus. jcowan@reutershealth.com