From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Sat Dec 07 18:16:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 74180 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-58-82.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.58.82]) by lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3665B83A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:16:51 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: jboske, angels, pinheads (was: RE: Re: Loglan Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:19:03 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021207160941.03933aa0@pop.east.cox.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Lojbab: > 3. Many people, including Nowicki the Ygyde promoter in a recent > alt.language.artificial post, have indicated that we give the impression > that Lojbanists can't agree about anything. To those who want to see a > language used rather than argued about, and those who simply aren't > interested in deep logicolinguistic discussion, this is a turnoff, > especially when the arguments are esoteric and therefore sound like arguing > how many angels dance on the head of a pin That simile is actually very apt. The actual question about angels had two relevant answers: "su'o no" and "na'i" -- i.e. depending on whether angels are material. Hence it was a serious and nontrivial question but latterly one that was not understood. Likewise for lojban debates. --And.