From jcowan@reutershealth.com Sun Dec 08 06:22:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 14:22:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 25520 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 14:22:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18L2Kc-0003to-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 06:22:54 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18L2KX-0003tU-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 06:22:49 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 08 Dec 2002 06:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [65.246.141.151] (helo=mail2.reutershealth.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18L2KT-0003tD-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 06:22:45 -0800 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06703; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:34:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212081434.JAA06703@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:22:02 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:22:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <3DF29C79.4000609@bilkent.edu.tr> from "Robin Turner" at Dec 08, 2002 03:12:25 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 3295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: John Cowan Reply-To: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Robin Turner scripsit: > Surely anyone who can say "uhuh" can say "ihi". Well, actually, no. [h] has back articulation, and so does [u], but stretching from [i] to [h] and back again is quite hard. I pronounce i'i using [C], the German ich-sound. This is the natural result if you turn off voicing and add palatal friction. -- John Cowan jcowan@reutershealth.com www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan Consider the matter of Analytic Philosophy. Dennett and Bennett are well-known. Dennett rarely or never cites Bennett, so Bennett rarely or never cites Dennett. There is also one Dummett. By their works shall ye know them. However, just as no trinities have fourth persons (Zeppo Marx notwithstanding), Bummett is hardly known by his works. Indeed, Bummett does not exist. It is part of the function of this and other e-mail messages, therefore, to do what they can to create him.