From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Sun Dec 08 14:06:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 22:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6349 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 22:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 22:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 22:06:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18L9ZC-00069c-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:06:26 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18L9Z9-00069F-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:06:23 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.114]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18L9Yq-00067L-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:06:04 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-61-144.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.61.144]) by lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509C248665 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:05:32 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: [lojban] Re: [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:07:44 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1039348150.16679.3.camel@norpan.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 3305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Martin: > sön 2002-12-08 klockan 01.06 skrev And Rosta: > > Furthermore, [ihi] is so difficult to articulate that I think we can > > safely assume that nobody actually does say [ihi] > > I'm _sure_ they say that somewhere in the "Ketchup song" :) > > Seriously, why is this harder to pronounce than any other V'V sound? Because for an [h] the narrowest constriction in the vocal tract is at the glottis, while for an [i] the narrowest constriction is at the hard palate. So to transition between [h] and [i] requires a large movement of the tongue. Hence [aha] is easy to articulate, because very little movement of the tongue is required, while [ihi] (and [uhu]) is difficult, because very large movements of the tongue are required. --And.