From sbelknap@UIC.EDU Tue Dec 10 09:07:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Dec 2002 17:07:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 93913 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 17:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2002 17:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 17:07:11 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Lnqh-0000gx-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:07:11 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Lnqa-0000ge-00; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:07:04 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from birch.cc.uic.edu ([128.248.155.162]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LnqV-0000gV-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:06:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 31314 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 17:06:53 -0000 Received: from cis5044.uicomp.uic.edu (HELO uic.edu) (128.248.250.44) by birch.cc.uic.edu with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 17:06:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:59:44 -0600 Subject: [lojban] Re: tags Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Cc: "'lojban-list@lojban.org'" To: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <04C811D2-0C50-11D7-A99A-000393629ED4@uic.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) X-archive-position: 3401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@uic.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Steven Belknap Reply-To: sbelknap@uic.edu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810567 On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 04:56 AM, Newton, Philip wrote: > sbelknap wrote: >> The most effective strategy would be to change the title >> tag to something like: >> >> Loglan: The Logical Language (lojban lo lojbo bangu) > > Did you deliberately use a phrase in Lojban that is not (by my > understanding) a translation of the English phrase? The Lojban doesn't > talk > about a Logical language; rather, it talks about a Lojbanic language > (which > includes Loglan by some accounts, but not {lo bangu poi ke'a logji > gi'enai > lojbo}). My usage here was deliberate. I believe that the phrases and overlap somewhat in their meaning. My intent was to imply that LLG Loglan is to Loglan in English as is to lojbanic languages in LLG Loglan. That was the best I could come up with. Perhaps it would be better to have the title as: lojban lo lojbo bangu (Loglan: The Logical Language) I do want to be respectful to the history of Loglan and the remaining Loglanders. I consider myself to be both lojbanistani and Loglander. I must admit that I find myself quite offended by some statements on this list which seem distinctly unwelcoming to other Loglanders, and disrespectful of the accomplishments of JCB, McIvor, and for that matter, lojbab. Since TLI Loglan is now moribund, and I am no longer using TLI Loglan, (and I'm working hard to improve my LLG Loglan vocabulary), it seems that as a pragmatic matter I am lojbanistani. I expect that all that is about as clear as mud. co'o mi'e la stivn