From xod@thestonecutters.net Thu Dec 12 09:07:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 12 Dec 2002 17:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 52283 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2002 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 17:07:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18MWoS-0006Ps-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:52 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18MWoJ-0006PZ-00; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:44 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18MWoF-0006PQ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBCH7At20177 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:07:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:07:10 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: HTML mail (was Re: bridling hostility) In-Reply-To: <20021212165832.GF65058@allusion.net> Message-ID: <20021212120029.D19615-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3487 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:33:58AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > > > Could you not send html in mail? (At least, if you expect it to > > > be read). > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 03:07:22PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > [?] > > > > Yes, this speaks to the subject, doesn't it? > > > > The net is a wild and wooly place, and special, old-school requirements > > are surely the responsibility of the eccentric recipient only. HTML mail > > is not unreasonable in the year 2002, when most email clients are > > HTML-savvy. > > Most mail clients are *not* HTML savvy. I looked for stats but I can't find them. But I am dead certain that a vast majority are running {Lookout Express, yahoo, hotmail}. You are by no means representative of the mainstream. It's great to be an outlier, but one must remain aware of it. > And I know of no good ones which are. However the real issue is whether > HTML is even desirable for mail. It was certainly not designed for it, > and I certainly don't feel like writing html when replying to things > (not to mention that the HTML one gets tends to be generated and ALL > CAPS, non standards-compliant and unreadable, not to mention it's 90% > likely to contain porn advertisements). HTML provides rich text markup, images, and other frivolity that many people who eschew your asceticism rather enjoy. It's the way things are going and you must adapt. I suggest you upgrade to a mail client that displays text in 7-bit while gracefully dealing with html, or use some scripting haxery to filter out or nullify any html that arrives. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.