From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Jan 04 06:36:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 4 Jan 2003 14:36:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 43037 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 14:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2003 14:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 14:36:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 06:36:38 -0800 Received: from 200.69.6.4 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:36:38 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Can a fu'ivla begin with five or more consonants? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:36:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2003 14:36:38.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0A0D2B0:01C2B3FE] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.4] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pier cusku di'e >The Book states that a brivla cannot begin with more than two consonants or >have a cluster of more than three consonants. The latter does not apply to >fu'ivla, so I am wondering about the former as well. It is possible to make >arbitrarily long strings of consonants consisting entirely of initial pairs >by repeating "stct" or "zdjd". It is also possible to make a string of five >consonants all of whose pairs are initial, so I came up with a pair of >strings. Is {stcmlatu} a word, or is {lestcmlatu} a word? I have always assumed {stcmlatu} would be the word. This wiki page: http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/Positive%20characterization%20of%20fu%27ivla%20space gives as a condition for fu'ivla that the forms should "have no four consonants in a row, none of which is syllabic". Does that come from CLL? That would block things like "stct" and "zdjd", if it is an actual rule. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup