From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Jan 07 10:08:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Jan 2003 18:08:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 25859 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2003 18:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:08:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Vy94-00038g-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:08:10 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Vy8X-000384-00; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:07:38 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Vy8R-00037u-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:07:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h07I77167878 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:07:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:07:07 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: open and save In-Reply-To: <7885D119-2269-11D7-97F6-000393629ED4@uic.edu> Message-ID: <20030107130248.I67301-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3733 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Steven Belknap wrote: > The use of the lojban word for a computer file is not malglico. > The analogy of computer file to a paper file is a language-independent > extension of the concept of file to cyberspace. is not an apt > lojban word for file. A file *contains* records. I think you mean "record" in the old computer sense, not in the lo vreji sense. dacru is a metaphor, but is the essential or best concept of a computer file as a thing that contains content? Or the content itself? -- // if (!terrorist) // ignore (); // else collect_data ();