From xod@thestonecutters.net Mon Mar 03 20:28:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 4 Mar 2003 04:28:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14251 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2003 04:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2003 04:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2003 04:28:58 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18q430-0005IJ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:28:58 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q40S-0005Hk-00; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:26:20 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q40M-0005HZ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:26:14 -0800 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h244QIXd059887 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:26:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h244QIff059884 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:26:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:26:18 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The Any thread In-Reply-To: <20030304042500.GA24199@allusion.net> Message-ID: <20030303232308.L59198-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:09:38PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Craig wrote: > [...] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/message/1087 (14 dec 2002) > > > > me: > > > It doesn't require it, but it doesn't forbid it either, and da is often > > > used to refer to specific entities that the speaker has in mind, and of > > > which the speaker wants to assert the existence, and wants to assign a > > > variable. > > > > Jordan: > > This is what is confusing you: You *can't* use da to refer to something > > specific. > > You think 'specific' means something else. Read the other message > I sent about that (in the subthread with rlp). What's the yahoo message number? Otherwise I'll never be able to locate it. > You can use 'da' to refer to something which you "have in mind", > or know the identity of. But the reference is a nonspecific > reference. It simply asserts the existence of some individual. > > "You can't use da to refer to something specifically" is a better > way to put it. OK, so you're back to da meaning anything. It can't be both ways! I said "in mind", and you said no. I say "not in mind" and you still argue. -- What would Jesus bomb?