From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Apr 28 13:37:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 28 Apr 2003 20:37:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 77809 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 20:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2003 20:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 20:26:45 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19AFD2-00010N-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:26:44 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AFCq-0000ze-00; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:26:32 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AFCX-0000z5-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:26:14 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3SKbxsr099975 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:37:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3/Submit) id h3SKbxAX099974 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:37:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:37:59 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: BPFK phpbb Message-ID: <20030428203758.GA99775@allusion.net> References: <20030428190602.GZ22216@digitalkingdom.org> <20030428194858.18292.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030428194858.18292.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 4986 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 12:48:58PM -0700, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >=20 > la camgusmis cusku di'e >=20 > > My new example of how insane this is is=20 > >=20 > > nai nai nai mi nai nelci nai nai nai > >=20 > > which would be legal if this change was made. >=20 > nai nai nai na'e bo mi na'e na'e na'e nelci >=20 > is currently grammatical (and equally bad style). But broda .i nai nai nai na'e bo mi na'e na'e na'e nelci .i broda is not. And neither is "mi nai" for that matter. Or how about strange things like "leka klama keinai cu xamgu". Anyway, I dunno why the text rule allows a nai at the start, but you're ignoring camgusmis' point by focusing on that---namely that if nai is in UI, it can be used *anywhere*, and thus it should be a word which makes sense to be used anywhere (like "ui"). Other than the problem with making too many sentences legal, I would complain that it complicates the parse tree of things like {mi na.enai do klama}. The first "na" is handled at the same level as the .e and as part of the structure there. But the second "nai" (if in UI) is handled at a lower level of the parser (where it allows UIs after any word). --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+rZEmDrrilS51AZ8RAg8UAJ9kpxxUY2RMpnOppwd1jKzjlN0LDQCgjpGZ YrbfemNHKowuDM45qROQ9cM= =Cea2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl--