From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue May 06 19:29:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 98903 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20513.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 02:29:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030507022940.89510.qmail@web20513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.69.2.52] by web20513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 May 2003 19:29:40 PDT Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [lojban] 1st Person Imperative To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jorge "Llambías" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la kreig cusku di'e > I object because the meaining is not the "please do this" conveyed by an > imperative in natlangs but a statement that it is (or, in this case, ca'a > would not be default, so it could be) the case, coupled with a feeling of > pleading. Consider: e'u mi'o ca'a citka To me this is a suggestion that we actually eat. To you it is a statement that we are actually eating (or will actually eat) coupled with a feeling of suggestion, (which I'm not sure how it would feel). This will have to be clarified by the BPFK, I suppose. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue May 06 19:29:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 98903 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20513.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 02:29:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20030507022940.89510.qmail@web20513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.69.2.52] by web20513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 May 2003 19:29:40 PDT Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [lojban] 1st Person Imperative To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jorge "Llambías" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la kreig cusku di'e > I object because the meaining is not the "please do this" conveyed by an > imperative in natlangs but a statement that it is (or, in this case, ca'a > would not be default, so it could be) the case, coupled with a feeling of > pleading. Consider: e'u mi'o ca'a citka To me this is a suggestion that we actually eat. To you it is a statement that we are actually eating (or will actually eat) coupled with a feeling of suggestion, (which I'm not sure how it would feel). This will have to be clarified by the BPFK, I suppose. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com