From pycyn@aol.com Fri Jun 16 14:16:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3081 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 21:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jun 2000 21:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 21:16:08 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id a.6b.5b27a59 (3948) for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b.5b27a59.267bf311@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:16:01 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Mi za'o klama To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com In a message dated 00-06-16 16:31:43 EDT, pier writes: <<>goes on to Pineville though aiming at Charlotte -- as {mi klama la >painvil la ralix za'o la charlyt} No, that means "I go from Raleigh to Pineville when Charlotte has outlived its usefulness." >> RECORD:za'o What is gone beyond is anything that would be expected to end what in fact continues. In processes, this is most naturally the completion of the product, but destroying the machinery, for example, also will do. For states and activities (I don't think achievements can go on overtime since they don't go on at all), anything will do: presumed interruptions, length of time, ... *The most useful task for za'o as a sumti tag is, therefore, to indicate the obstacle overcome (or ignored) in the ongoing.*