From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Jun 17 18:37:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3075 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2000 01:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jun 2000 01:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.57) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jun 2000 01:37:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 53964 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jun 2000 01:37:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000618013725.53963.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.153.52 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:37:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.153.52] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] A defense of dead horse beating Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:37:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >Stop me if I've said this before. (too late) That even means 1) everybody >else is doing it 2) the cat is doing it, 3) I'm surprised the cat is doing >it. I think that 3 (with 2) of course is the crucial part, so just a good >surprise mark ought to do in most situations. Maybe strategically placed: >{le >mlatu ue cu gasnu} I think 1 is very important too, but that is covered by {ji'a}, so {le mlatu ji'a ue} is a possibility. But what bothers me about {ue} is that it is not quite that. Otherwise things like "I'm not surprized that even the cat is doing it", or "as everyone expected, even the cat is doing it", should not make any sense, but they do. It is not the speaker who is surprized, nor anyone else, although it does have to do with something being somehow extraordinary. I think it is some kind of extreme. Maybe {ji'acai}? co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com