From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Sun Jun 25 16:40:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25972 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2000 23:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Jun 2000 23:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 23:40:21 -0000 Received: from calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26050 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006252340.TAA26050@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RECORD: containers In-Reply-To: Message from Robin of "Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:36:12 +0300." <3956976C.5DB3BE72@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:40:57 -0400 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Robin writes: >Jorge Llambias wrote: >> >> la pycyn cusku di'e >> >> >I skip over the problem (for which lb has no better solution >> >than English) of internal and external negations -- that this is >> >a bottle but not one containing something, and simply say >> >that, given we do acknowledge that ta is a bottle >> >> This is the point. If we take the place structures seriously, >> ta is actually being a botpi only when it contains something, >> a side effect of the inflated place structures. > >Can't you have a botpi containing nothing (or air?)? And isn't this what zo'e is for anyways? Or leaving a place unspecified? And since when does 'le zdani' require there to be something living there? -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. ... stripped of our uniqueness as human beings by Darwin, exposed to our own inadequacies by Freud, ... Power -- "the ability to bring about our desires" -- is all that we have left. --- Michael Korda, _Power!_