From mark@kli.org Mon Aug 28 08:54:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13121 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2000 15:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Aug 2000 15:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pi.meson.org) (209.191.39.185) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 15:54:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 5929 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Aug 2000 15:50:45 -0000 Date: 28 Aug 2000 15:50:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000828155044.5928.qmail@pi.meson.org> To: lojban@egroups.com In-reply-to: <39AA0F61.66DB@math.bas.bg> (message from Ivan A Derzhanski on Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:06:09 +0300) Subject: Re: [lojban] World-historical and religious figures in Lojban References: <39A8CF80.BF94A9F@math.bas.bg> <0008271724250C.14222@neofelis> <39AA0F61.66DB@math.bas.bg> From: "Mark E. Shoulson" >Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science >From: Ivan A Derzhanski >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:06:09 +0300 > >Pierre Abbat wrote: >> but how would you Lojbanize names like Tlaxcala? > >Perhaps {tackalad.}, since Nahuatl _tl_ is from _t_ that became >lateralised in certain positions? Or {.ytlackalad.}, applying >the tried Arabic method of handling initial consonant clusters? *baps Ivan on the head with a rolled-up ju'i lobypli* Watch your {la} in cmene!! The first one is {.ytlackalad.} is okay since it has a consonant before it, but the second one is still naughty. >> I suggest iecu,ys. [...] What did the Celts say? > >What did the Celts say about what? In Irish/Scottish Gaelic, >if that's what you mean, the name of the fellow is _Íosa_/_Ìosa_, >pronounced [i:(@)s@] with an evanescent glide before the [s]. For some unknown reason, Jesus' name is the only personal proper noun in Welsh which gets the definite article: Yr Iesu (note that u in Welsh is pronounced /i/ or /barred-i/, depending on where in Wales you're from, but never /u/). I'm remembering something about how the name Iosa (with whatever accent) is unusual in Irish Gaelic; something mentioned in an old book on Irish from the 1930s, but I can't remember what and I can't find the book at the moment. ~mark