From iad@MATH.BAS.BG Wed Aug 30 00:29:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8944 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 07:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Aug 2000 07:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO argo.bas.bg) (195.96.224.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 07:29:00 -0000 Received: from banmatpc.math.bas.bg (root@banmatpc.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.2]) by argo.bas.bg (8.11.0/8.11.0/Debian 8.11.0-1) with ESMTP id e7U7SAw13395 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:28:16 +0300 Received: from iad.math.bas.bg (iad.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.88]) by banmatpc.math.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA25997 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:28:10 +0300 Message-ID: <39ACB7D3.3DE9@math.bas.bg> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:29:23 +0300 Reply-To: iad@math.bas.bg Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Lojban List Subject: Re: [lojban] World-historical and religious figures in Lojban References: <39A8CF80.BF94A9F@math.bas.bg> <0008271724250C.14222@neofelis> <39AA0F61.66DB@math.bas.bg> <20000828155044.5928.qmail@pi.meson.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > >From: Ivan A Derzhanski > >Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> but how would you Lojbanize names like Tlaxcala? > > > >Perhaps {tackalad.}, since Nahuatl _tl_ is from _t_ that became > >lateralised in certain positions? Or {.ytlackalad.}, applying > >the tried Arabic method of handling initial consonant clusters? > > *baps Ivan on the head with a rolled-up ju'i lobypli* > > Watch your {la} in cmene!! A JL is nothing; what I'm feeling like banging myself on the head with for rising to the bait in the first place would be nothing less than a rolled-up Woldemar Codex. I knew that there was yet another reason for my profound aversion to cmene; thanks for reminding me what it is. Make mine {la'o ny. Tlaxcala ny.}; I'll have nothing else. And while we're at it, may I seize this opportunity to appeal to the person who will launch the next logical language project (if he is reading this now, which is likely if history is any guide) to please try to avoid committing the egregious error of choosing a sound sequence that is very common across nearly all human languages (Japanese, Maori and Nootka being in a tight minority) for a tag that can't appear inside cmene? Surely if what is now {la} were, say, {jo'e}, the need to mutilate names so that they won't contain it would occur much less often. > I'm remembering something about how the name Iosa > (with whatever accent) is unusual in Irish Gaelic; The accent on _i_ is always acute in Irish, grave in Scottish. --Ivan