From jorge@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx Fri Mar 5 15:36:14 1999 X-Digest-Num: 82 Message-ID: <44114.82.503.959273824@eGroups.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:36:14 -0300 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_J._Llamb=EDas?=" .u'i, that's another perspective. if you don't know, that's a >translation of part of a zen koan: two zen students & a zen master are >looking at a flag... the first student: "it is the flag that moves" -- >the second student: "no, it is the breeze that moves" -- the master >replies: "no, you are both wrong. it is the mind that moves." That doesn't work so well in Lojban, because {muvdu} is much more restricted than "moves". The flag flapping in the wind would not be a {muvdu}, which is something that moves from one place to another along some path. Probably {le lanci cu desku} is better. As for the mind...Metaphorically, we could use {muvdu} for the mind wandering from thought to thought, but obviously that's not what the zen master meant. I suppose he meant that it is the mind that "creates" the movement, being the one that observes and names it, or something like that. >mi na jetnu djuno .i mi na zgana lo tarmi be le temci .i mi jinvi le >du'u le pensi be ro prenu cu na'e banzu le nu skicu le munje temci .i >.ai mi na skicu le munje ja jetnu temci .i .ai mi skicu le se lifre be >mi temci i li'a i cu'u do le se lifri be do temci na sirji i mi na jimpe le du'u do te smuni di'u makau i xu do na jinvi le du'u le temci cu purci gi'a cabna gi'a balvi >.i se'o mi ka'e frili denpa .i se'o mi so'i lo prenu cu prami .i se'o mi >na'e cafne pensi la djes. .iu i ki'anai i mi pu krici le du'u do dy pamrai >ni'o ca le cabdei ku mi mutci pensi lo drata pendo be mi be'o noi se >cmene la djEsikas. .a'uro'u .i .ue .uisai mi caca'o tavla ko'a .i ti'e >le'e citno cu fenki zifre i xamgu i a'o do joi la djEsikas cu nelsi'u ro'u i funza'a ko co'o mi'e xorxes