From jorge@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx Sun Apr 11 19:43:13 1999 X-Digest-Num: 111 Message-ID: <44114.111.615.959273824@eGroups.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:43:13 -0300 From: "=?US-ASCII?Q?Jorge_J._Llamb=EDas?=" From: xod > >I don't see this. And if it's true, it seems dangerous to associate the >fact that there is one apple vs many apples, with the fact that the things >are objectively apples, as opposed to something that it simply being >called an apple for the sake of this discussion. I want to be able to >express all four combinations of {one apple, many apples} and {objective, >subjective}. You can express all four: (1) le ci verba cu citka le plise (2) le ci verba cu citka su'o le plise (3) le ci verba cu citka ro lo plise poi cpana le jubme (4) le ci verba cu citka lo plise In (1) and (3) I'm saying that every apple is eaten by each of the three children. In (1) it is every apple under discussion, in (3) it is every apple that's on the table (I added the restriction to avoid making the even more nonsensical claim that each child eats every single apple that there is.) In (2) and (4) each child eats at least one apple. In (2) it is one of the apples under discussion, in (4) it's just one "objective" apple. So (1) and (4) differ in at least two properties. My claim is that the difference in the quantifier is much more significant than the difference in "veridicality". co'o mi'e xorxes