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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c2si903507pbe.0.2011.12.23.10.25.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Re9oU-0006zA-Vv for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:25:51 -0800 Received: from earth.ccil.org ([192.190.237.11]:32956) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Re9oS-0006z2-My for bpfk@lojban.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:25:50 -0800 Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re9oQ-0002od-G8 for bpfk@lojban.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:25:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:25:46 -0500 From: John Cowan To: bpfk@lojban.org Subject: Re: [bpfk] Can we drop the fore tanru cmavo? Message-ID: <20111223182546.GB27391@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20111223175808.GH23459@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111223175808.GH23459@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_bar: / Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > i.e., can PEG support having one set of fore logical connectives only, > or is the issue deeper than lookahead? In principle it is only lookahead, but I'd be reluctant to mess with this because of human limitations -- PEG grammars can look ahead arbitrarily far, but humans cannot. When you hear GA after a selbri, you know that the selbri is complete; when you hear GUhA, you know there is more selbri to come. I think that's a valuable property that shouldn't be discarded lightly. This is why I have been reluctant to use the PEG grammar as a basis for grammar changes. The YACC grammar is over-constraining and makes some elidable terminators necessary (the notorious le broda ku joi le brodo) that wouldn't actually confuse anyone. But OTOH it doesn't permit things to be grammatical that no human could decipher. We need a happy medium. -- LEAR: Dost thou call me fool, boy? John Cowan FOOL: All thy other titles http://www.ccil.org/~cowan thou hast given away: cowan@ccil.org That thou wast born with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. 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