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We finally have an experimental PA for "elliptical/unspecified number":
{xo'e}. I've been saying for a while that {xo'e} would make a much better
default for all of the operator-like-PA than their current hardcoded
values. Perhaps with the note that in most contexts, the obvious value for
{xo'e} would be either {pa} or {ro}, as previously defined. (In the same
way that {ca ku} acts like {ca zo'e}, but the value of {zo'e} is usually
assumed to be "now", except when it's not.)


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

>
> I would like to define the defaults for {za'u} and {me'i} to be
> "contextually specified, usually the current value for the thing
> under discussion", rather than {pa}.
>
> Two reasons:
>
> 1.  {za'u} and {su'o} mean almost exactly the same thing as
> currently defined, similarily {me'i} and {su'e}.  Freaking annoying.
>
> 2.  Everybody uses them that way anyways; see {za'u re'u}, which is
> very common, and has almost no meaning without this change:
> http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za'ure'u?showall=y and
> http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za'u%20re'u?showall=y
>
> In addition, it would give me a clean way to say "I need more flour
> for this cake", or whatever.
>
> -Robin
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">We finally have an experimental PA for &quot;elliptical/un=
specified number&quot;: {xo&#39;e}. I&#39;ve been saying for a while that {=
xo&#39;e} would make a much better default for all of the operator-like-PA =
than their current hardcoded values. Perhaps with the note that in most con=
texts, the obvious value for {xo&#39;e} would be either {pa} or {ro}, as pr=
eviously defined. (In the same way that {ca ku} acts like {ca zo&#39;e}, bu=
t the value of {zo&#39;e} is usually assumed to be &quot;now&quot;, except =
when it&#39;s not.)<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue,=
 Jul 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Robin Lee Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org" target=3D"_blank">rlpowell@digitalking=
dom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I would like to define the defaults for {za&#39;u} and {me&#39;i} to be<br>
&quot;contextually specified, usually the current value for the thing<br>
under discussion&quot;, rather than {pa}.<br>
<br>
Two reasons:<br>
<br>
1. =A0{za&#39;u} and {su&#39;o} mean almost exactly the same thing as<br>
currently defined, similarily {me&#39;i} and {su&#39;e}. =A0Freaking annoyi=
ng.<br>
<br>
2. =A0Everybody uses them that way anyways; see {za&#39;u re&#39;u}, which =
is<br>
very common, and has almost no meaning without this change:<br>
<a href=3D"http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za&#39;ure&#39;u?showall=
=3Dy" target=3D"_blank">http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za&#39;ure&#=
39;u?showall=3Dy</a> and<br>
<a href=3D"http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za&#39;u%20re&#39;u?showa=
ll=3Dy" target=3D"_blank">http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za&#39;u%2=
0re&#39;u?showall=3Dy</a><br>
<br>
In addition, it would give me a clean way to say &quot;I need more flour<br=
>
for this cake&quot;, or whatever.<br>
<br>
-Robin<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
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org/</a> : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.<br>
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go&#39;i li&#39;u =
.e<br>
lu go&#39;i li&#39;u .i ji&#39;a go&#39;i lu na&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e =
lu go&#39;i na&#39;i li&#39;u .e<br>
lu no&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e lu to&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e lu lo mam=
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