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 Content preview:  On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 01:43:09PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
    > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
    wrote: > > > > > I would like to define the defaults for {za'u} and {me'i}
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    > > under discussion", rather than {pa}. > > > > As far as I know, the default
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On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 01:43:09PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>=20
> >
> > I would like to define the defaults for {za'u} and {me'i} to be
> > "contextually specified, usually the current value for the thing
> > under discussion", rather than {pa}.
> >
>=20
> As far as I know, the default for "me'i" is "ro", not "pa".=20

http://dag.github.io/cll/18/9/ ; "If no number follows one of these
cmavo, =93pa=94 is understood"

> > 2.  Everybody uses them that way anyways; see {za'u re'u}, which
> > is very common, and has almost no meaning without this change:
> > http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za'ure'u?showall=3Dy and
> > http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za'u%20re'u?showall=3Dy
> >
> >
> "za'u re'u" means the same as "za'u pa re'u", i.e. "for
> other-than-the-first time" =3D "again".

That's not what "again" means, at all, as I've said before.

>=20
> > In addition, it would give me a clean way to say "I need more
> > flour for this cake", or whatever.
>=20
> I don't think this is the same as "za'u (some number)". If you
> already have three cups of flour, when you say you need "more
> flour", couldn't you mean you need one more cup, which is less
> than what you already have, less than the current number, not
> more?

You're make a different distinction there; I would say {mi nitcu vo
da} but {mi jmina pa da} in that case.  As such, {mi nitcu za'u xo'e
da} works fine; "I need [a total of] more than I currently have".

-Robin

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