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Well done. This is the way it should work.

-Eppcott


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:54 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:23:24 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, John Cowan <co...@mercury.ccil.org>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I can live with it, provided someone puts in a lujvo (probably involving
>>> mabla and cusku, but not just malsku) that means "x1 curses at x2 using
>>> form of expression x3", because right now that is termabla, and we
>>> need such a word.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure that's what "termabla" has to mean with the old definition
>> though. It's more like "x1 uses word/expression x2 with derogatory
>> connotation/sense x3". The x2 of old mabla seems to be a word or
>> expression, not a person. At least in the first definition "x1 is a
>> derogative connotation/sense of x2 used by x3". In the second definition "
>> x3 derogates/'curses at' x2 in form x1", x2 does become a person (or a
>> thing I suppose), but it's hard to reconcile it with the first.
>>
>> As for "x1 curses at x2", we have "dapma".
>>
>
> What is the brivla equivalent of {di'ai} ? toldapma?
>
> For general use of foul language, we could use "malbaupli" (this need not
>> be directed at anyone in particular) or "malbausku".
>>
>>
>>
>>>  Ditto for zabna, of course.  The reason not to use
>>> malsku is that it would mean "shittily express" rather than "talk shit
>>> to".
>>>
>>
>> It depends on how the lujvo is defined. "Shittily say" would be "ko'a
>> mabla lo ka ce'u cusku", while "say shit" would be "ko'a cusku lo mabla".
>> I'm not sure "talk shit to" is the same as "curse at" though. There's also
>> possibly "malski" for "skicu fo lo ka mabla" Also "te malcme" for name
>> calling.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Well done. This is the way it should work.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>-Eppcott</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:54 PM, la gleki <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:23:24 PM =
UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at=
 12:25 PM, John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>co...@mercury.ccil.org</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div><br>
</div>I can live with it, provided someone puts in a lujvo (probably involv=
ing<br>
mabla and cusku, but not just malsku) that means &quot;x1 curses at x2 usin=
g<br>
form of expression x3&quot;, because right now that is termabla, and we<br>
need such a word. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m not sure that&#3=
9;s what &quot;termabla&quot; has to mean with the old definition though. I=
t&#39;s more like &quot;x1 uses word/expression x2 with derogatory connotat=
ion/sense x3&quot;. The x2 of old mabla seems to be a word or expression, n=
ot a person. At least in the first definition &quot;<span style>x1 is a der=
ogative connotation/sense of x2 used by x3&quot;. In the second definition =
&quot;</span><span style>x3</span><span style>=A0derogates/&#39;curses at&#=
39; x2 in form x1&quot;, x2 does become a person (or a thing I suppose), bu=
t it&#39;s hard to reconcile it with the first.</span></div>

<div><br></div><div>As for &quot;x1 curses at x2&quot;, we have &quot;dapma=
&quot;.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>What =
is the brivla equivalent of {di&#39;ai} ? toldapma?</div><div class=3D"HOEn=
Zb">
<div class=3D"h5"><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div> For general use of fou=
l language, we could use &quot;malbaupli&quot; (this need not be directed a=
t anyone in particular) or &quot;malbausku&quot;.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">=A0Ditto for zabna, of course=
. =A0The reason not to use<br>


malsku is that it would mean &quot;shittily express&quot; rather than &quot=
;talk shit to&quot;.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It depends on how =
the lujvo is defined. &quot;Shittily say&quot; would be &quot;ko&#39;a mabl=
a lo ka ce&#39;u cusku&quot;, while &quot;say shit&quot; would be &quot;ko&=
#39;a cusku lo mabla&quot;. I&#39;m not sure &quot;talk shit to&quot; is th=
e same as &quot;curse at&quot; though. There&#39;s also possibly &quot;mals=
ki&quot; for &quot;skicu fo lo ka mabla&quot; Also &quot;te malcme&quot; fo=
r name calling.</div>

<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=A0</div></div></div=
></div>
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