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On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
> wrote:

>
> I suggest that cmavo2 is a la'e zo-quotation of a cmavo that represents
> the whole selma'o  ({lu'i}?)
>
> so
> {zo a cmavo la'e zo a}. Otherwise we need a separate word for each selma'o
> (like e.g. {cmavrxavo}).
> Since {zo a} is easier to remember than {cmavrxavo} and since other usages
> of cnmavo2 are unlikely to be useful i suggest changing (clarifying?) this
> definition
>
>
"la'e ko'a" usually gives you the meaning of ko'a rather than its class, so
"la'e zo .a" is probably closer to "lo terma'o be zo .a" than to "lo
selma'o be zo .a".

If "lu'i ko'a" meant "the (obvious) set that has ko'a among its members"
then you could use "lu'i zo .a". "lu'i ko'a" has usually been interpreted
as "the (only) set that has ko'a as (all of) its members" though. The first
definition is probably more useful, but it is also more vague. After all,
the sets {".a", ".e", "ji", ".o", ".u"} and {".a", "be", "ci", "do", "fu"}
both have ".a" among its members, so even with the relaxed definition you
would have to rely on obviousness and context to know that "lu'i zo .a"
meant selmaho A, and not for example that other set.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.i=
s.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>I sugge=
st that cmavo2 is a la&#39;e zo-quotation of a cmavo that represents the wh=
ole selma&#39;o =A0({lu&#39;i}?)</div>
<div><br></div><div>so=A0</div><div>{zo a cmavo la&#39;e zo a}. Otherwise w=
e need a separate word for each selma&#39;o (like e.g. {cmavrxavo}).<br>
</div><div>Since {zo a} is easier to remember than {cmavrxavo} and since ot=
her usages of cnmavo2 are unlikely to be useful i suggest changing (clarify=
ing?) this definition</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
</div><div>&quot;la&#39;e ko&#39;a&quot; usually gives you the meaning of k=
o&#39;a rather than its class, so &quot;la&#39;e zo .a&quot; is probably cl=
oser to &quot;lo terma&#39;o be zo .a&quot; than to &quot;lo selma&#39;o be=
 zo .a&quot;.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If &quot;lu&#39;i ko&#39;a&quot; meant &quot;the (obvio=
us) set that has ko&#39;a among its members&quot; then you could use &quot;=
lu&#39;i zo .a&quot;. &quot;lu&#39;i ko&#39;a&quot; has usually been interp=
reted as &quot;the (only) set that has ko&#39;a as (all of) its members&quo=
t; though. The first definition is probably more useful, but it is also mor=
e vague. After all, the sets {&quot;.a&quot;, &quot;.e&quot;, &quot;ji&quot=
;, &quot;.o&quot;, &quot;.u&quot;} and {&quot;.a&quot;, &quot;be&quot;, &qu=
ot;ci&quot;, &quot;do&quot;, &quot;fu&quot;} both have &quot;.a&quot; among=
 its members, so even with the relaxed definition you would have to rely on=
 obviousness and context to know that &quot;lu&#39;i zo .a&quot; meant selm=
aho A, and not for example that other set.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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