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I think the experimental cmavo {ma'oi} was proposed for this purpose (are
experimental cmavo taboo around here? I'm new to this list). e.g.

zo .e cmavo ma'oi .a

It's one fewer syllable than {lu'i zo .a} anyway :)

mu'o mi'e durka
On Apr 12, 2014 12:25 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <
> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I suggest that cmavo2 is a la'e zo-quotation of a cmavo that represents
>> the whole selma'o  ({lu'i}?)
>>
>> so
>> {zo a cmavo la'e zo a}. Otherwise we need a separate word for each
>> selma'o (like e.g. {cmavrxavo}).
>> Since {zo a} is easier to remember than {cmavrxavo} and since other
>> usages of cnmavo2 are unlikely to be useful i suggest changing
>> (clarifying?) this definition
>>
>>
> "la'e ko'a" usually gives you the meaning of ko'a rather than its class,
> so "la'e zo .a" is probably closer to "lo terma'o be zo .a" than to "lo
> selma'o be zo .a".
>
> If "lu'i ko'a" meant "the (obvious) set that has ko'a among its members"
> then you could use "lu'i zo .a". "lu'i ko'a" has usually been interpreted
> as "the (only) set that has ko'a as (all of) its members" though. The fir=
st
> definition is probably more useful, but it is also more vague. After all,
> the sets {".a", ".e", "ji", ".o", ".u"} and {".a", "be", "ci", "do", "fu"=
}
> both have ".a" among its members, so even with the relaxed definition you
> would have to rely on obviousness and context to know that "lu'i zo .a"
> meant selmaho A, and not for example that other set.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I think the experimental cmavo {ma&#39;oi} was proposed for =
this purpose (are experimental cmavo taboo around here? I&#39;m new to this=
 list). e.g.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">zo .e cmavo ma&#39;oi .a</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s one fewer syllable than {lu&#39;i zo .a} anyway :)<=
/p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">mu&#39;o mi&#39;e durka</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Apr 12, 2014 12:25 PM, &quot;Jorge Llamb=EDas=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.i=
s.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>I sugge=
st that cmavo2 is a la&#39;e zo-quotation of a cmavo that represents the wh=
ole selma&#39;o =A0({lu&#39;i}?)</div>

<div><br></div><div>so=A0</div><div>{zo a cmavo la&#39;e zo a}. Otherwise w=
e need a separate word for each selma&#39;o (like e.g. {cmavrxavo}).<br>
</div><div>Since {zo a} is easier to remember than {cmavrxavo} and since ot=
her usages of cnmavo2 are unlikely to be useful i suggest changing (clarify=
ing?) this definition</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>

</div><div>&quot;la&#39;e ko&#39;a&quot; usually gives you the meaning of k=
o&#39;a rather than its class, so &quot;la&#39;e zo .a&quot; is probably cl=
oser to &quot;lo terma&#39;o be zo .a&quot; than to &quot;lo selma&#39;o be=
 zo .a&quot;.</div>

<div><br></div><div>If &quot;lu&#39;i ko&#39;a&quot; meant &quot;the (obvio=
us) set that has ko&#39;a among its members&quot; then you could use &quot;=
lu&#39;i zo .a&quot;. &quot;lu&#39;i ko&#39;a&quot; has usually been interp=
reted as &quot;the (only) set that has ko&#39;a as (all of) its members&quo=
t; though. The first definition is probably more useful, but it is also mor=
e vague. After all, the sets {&quot;.a&quot;, &quot;.e&quot;, &quot;ji&quot=
;, &quot;.o&quot;, &quot;.u&quot;} and {&quot;.a&quot;, &quot;be&quot;, &qu=
ot;ci&quot;, &quot;do&quot;, &quot;fu&quot;} both have &quot;.a&quot; among=
 its members, so even with the relaxed definition you would have to rely on=
 obviousness and context to know that &quot;lu&#39;i zo .a&quot; meant selm=
aho A, and not for example that other set.</div>

<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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