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Robert LeChevalier, On 22/05/2014 20:13:
> On 5/22/2014 12:59 PM, And Rosta wrote:
>> John Cowan, On 20/05/2014 17:40:
>>>> Is it legitimate to proxy one's vote on bpfk matters?
>>>
>>> The LLG has traditionally accepted them, and the BPFK is a committee
>>> of the LLG, formally speaking, so I see no reason why not.
>>>
>>> John Cowan, LLG parliamentarian
>>
>> In that case, I proxy mine to Xorxes. Experience has shown me that even
>> in the rare cases where I don't agree with him from the outset, I soon
>> come to realize that he was right after all.
>>
>> I'd also like to point out that if enough bpfk members did likewise, the
>> bpfk business could be zipped through without unnecessary delay and
>> debate. Either decisions could simply be referred to Xorxes or else we
>> could calculate how many Nays it takes to block a consensus and begin by
>> counting contraxorxesian votes; only if there were sufficient
>> contraxorxesian votes to block a consensus would it be necessary to
>> struggle to find some other solution.
>
> Since having enough votes hasn't ever been a problem, this is not an
> issue. When it gets to the final consensus decision, probably the
> votes that will count will be the votes of people that actually
> reviewed the final baseline. A proxy pretty much is an admission that
> you didn't. So why should your vote count?

Well that's why I asked the question in the first place, without presuming =
in advance the answer John gave. And I thought my subsequent explanation ha=
d already answered the question you pose: in the years when I was most invo=
lved with Lojban (which was after John W C had taken a backseat after CLL c=
ompletion and before the arrival of clever young kids like Selpahi), I came=
 to understand that Xorxes's views were sounder than mine and mine were sou=
nder than those of everyone else who was active in those years. This is exa=
ctly the sort of condition under which proxying is the Right (=3D most resp=
onsible) Thing (google "liquid democracy" and "delegative democracy").

I am, by the way, assuming that we are collectively seeking the best outcom=
e for Lojban as consensually conceived of by the Lojbo community. My presen=
t involvement here is largely altruistic, born of goodwill and immensely hi=
gh regard for some jbopre, and I have long been resigned to the fact that L=
ojban will never metamorphosize into the language I'd like it to have been =
(namely, a true loglang with a proselytizing community of users).

--And.

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