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[2607:f470:8:64:5ea5::e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l6si315504qco.2.2014.06.12.09.02.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: aburka@seas.upenn.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=2607:f470:8:64:5ea5::e; Received: from [158.130.108.111] (seas1133.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu [158.130.108.111]) (authenticated bits=0) by fox.seas.upenn.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5CG2QZI015058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:02:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:02:29 -0400 From: Alex Burka To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <6ED7D22D59EC4AD88B7BDFCE5C32F0D1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20140610152942.GA1582@mercury.ccil.org> <73581D93CF4542F0B52FDBDD7EB241C9@gmail.com> <20140611214105.GC28473@mercury.ccil.org> Subject: Re: [bpfk] BAhE + BU X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1178) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5400 definitions=5800 signatures=585085 X-PP-Spam-Details: rule=add_spam_details policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=12 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1111160001 definitions=main-1406120187 X-Original-Sender: aburka@seas.upenn.edu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: aburka@seas.upenn.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=aburka@seas.upenn.edu Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5399cf15_556b69ed_12754" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --5399cf15_556b69ed_12754 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline SI, SA, and SU are all separate selma'o so presumably SU should be in that = list as well. I'll remove LEhU. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Alex Burka wrote: > > bu > > Combines with the previous word to make a Lojban letteral, provided tha= t it is not one of the quote cmavo (ZO, ZOI, LOhU, LEhU) or one of the eras= ure cmavo (SI, SA, SU), ZEI, or FAhO. If the aforementioned previous word i= s already a letteral, the resulting letteral will not necessarily be the sa= me, for instance, "ky. bu" is different from "ky". In addition to single wo= rds, bu can be combined with a letteral that is already a composite of a wo= rd+bu, a zei-lujvo, a zo-quoted word, a lo'u-quoted string of words or a zo= i-quoted foreign text. If there is no previous word, "bu" is in error; this= entails that "bu bu" by itself is also ungrammatical. > =20 > LEhU shouldn't be there, it's at most a magic word assistant, not a magic= word. "le'u bu", "le'u zei valsi", "le'u si" should be fine, unless le'u h= as already been claimed by lo'u, but that's no different than for any other= word. LEhU is like a zoi-delimiter, except LOhU always brings its own assi= stant whereas ZOI picks one from the members of the public. =20 > =20 > > ba'e (BAhE) > > Emphasize next word. Forethought emphasis indicator. Indicates that nex= t word is especially emphasized or emphatic. For grammatical purposes, "ba'= e" marks the following word but does not change its nature. (The construct = behaves just as the marked word by itself.) The two words are considered di= stinct for "sa" matching purposes. Multiple BAhE cmavo may be used in succe= ssion, and they combine to mark the next non-BAhE word. =20 > > See also za'e, .ui, sa, "Magic Words". > > =20 > > Keywords: Emphasize next word, emphasize next. > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > =20 > =20 > Not sure why "sa" is mentioned specifically. > =20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -- =20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com (mailto:bpfk-list+unsubscr= ibe@googlegroups.com). > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com (mailto:b= pfk-list@googlegroups.com). > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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SI= , SA, and SU are all separate selma'o so presumably SU should be in that li= st as well. I'll remove LEhU.
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On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at = 7:35 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:




= On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Alex Burka <aburka@seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
bu
Combines with the previous w= ord to make a Lojban =20 letteral, provided that it is not one of the quote cmavo (ZO, ZOI, LOhU, LEhU) or one of the erasure cmavo (SI, SA, SU), ZEI, or FAhO. If =20 the aforementioned previous word is already a letteral, the resulting =20 letteral will not necessarily be the same, for instance, "ky. bu" is =20 different from "ky". In addition to single words, bu can be combined =20 with a letteral that is already a composite of a word+bu, a zei-lujvo, a zo-quoted word, a lo'u-quoted string of words or a zoi-quoted foreign= text. If there is no previous word, "bu" is in error; this entails that "bu bu" by itself is also ungrammatical.

LEhU shouldn't be there, it's at most a magic word assistant, not a magi= c word. "le'u bu", "le'u zei valsi", "le'u si" should be fine, unless le'u = has already been claimed by lo'u, but that's no different than for any othe= r word. LEhU is like a zoi-delimiter, except LOhU always brings its own ass= istant whereas ZOI picks one from the members of the public.
 
ba'e = (BAhE)
Emphasize next word. Forethought emphasis in= dicator. Indicates that next word is especially emphasized or emphatic. For grammatical purposes, "ba'e" marks the =20 following word but does not change its nature. (The construct behaves = just as the marked word by itself.) The two words are considered distinct f= or "sa" matching purposes. Multiple BAhE cmavo may be used in successi= on, and they combine to mark the next non-BAhE word.
See also za'e, .ui, sa, "Magic Words".
  • Keywords: Emphasize next word, emphasize next.

Not sure why "sa" is mentioned specifica= lly.
 
mu'o mi'e xorxes

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